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Romans 8:5 - The Man Is as the Mind Is

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Romans 8:5 — The Man Is as the Mind Is

For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (NASB)

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. (KJV)

Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. (NLT)

For those who live according to the flesh have their outlook shaped by the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit have their outlook shaped by the things of the Spirit. (NET)

Col 3:1  Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.  Keep thinking about things above, not things on the earth, for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. (NET)

The words “carnally minded” are to phronēma tēs sarkos (το φρονημα της σαρκος), literally, “the mind of the flesh.”

The words “spiritually minded” are to phronēma tou pneumatos (το φρονημα του πνευματος), literally, “the mind possessed by the Spirit,” thus a mind controlled or dominated by the Holy Spirit. (Wuest's word studies from the Greek New Testament : For the English reader)

The mind (8:5–11; cf. 7:22–23; 8:5–7) is allowed to have its way in the Spirit. There is an absolute separation between being in the flesh and in the Spirit. In this section the potency of life in the Spirit is stressed, not the details of how such a life comes about.  (Tyndale concise Bible commentary)

It is our sinful nature that tries to make our mind focus on our fleshly desires, which will lead to only one end and that is death.  However, the indwelling Spirit tries to take illuminate the reality of our flesh (sinful desires) and then lead us to life.  If we are focused on our own sinful pleasures we will have set a course for death.  If we focus on Christ and His righteousness, then we will sail a course pleasing to the Spirit.  I suppose the reality is that our flesh is NOT interested in making a good decision here.  Our place of departure then must be the honest recognition that we cannot choose rightly apart from the Spirit's power.  We must confess then our inability in order to gain the victory.

This deliverance from the law of sin and death is not a mere experience (it will produce precious experiences); it is a divine operation, known by faith in His operation who raised up from the dead, known in all its power by its accomplishment in Jesus, in the efficacy of which we participate by faith. The difficulty of receiving it is that we find our experience clashing with it. That Christ has put away my sins, and that God has loved me, is a matter of simple faith through grace. That I am dead is apt to find itself contradicted in my heart….The passage does not say that the flesh is changed — quite the contrary; one would not speak of the law of a thing which no longer existed. We have to contend with it, but it is no more a law; neither can it bring us under death in our conscience. (Dr. John Darby)

By looking to our minds. How may we know whether we are after the flesh or after the Spirit? By examining what we mind, the things of the flesh or the things of the spirit. Carnal pleasure, worldly profit and honor, the things of sense and time, are the things of the flesh, which unregenerate people mind. The favor of God, the welfare of the soul, the concerns of eternity, are the things of the Spirit, which those that are after the Spirit do mind. The man is as the mind is….Which way do our thoughts move with most pleasure? Which way go our plans and contrivances? Are we most wise for the world, or for our souls?  (Matthew Henry)

Romans 8:5 — The Man Is as the Mind Is

For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (NASB)

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. (KJV)

Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. (NLT)

For those who live according to the flesh have their outlook shaped by the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit have their outlook shaped by the things of the Spirit. (NET)

Col 3:1  Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.  Keep thinking about things above, not things on the earth, for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. (NET)

The words “carnally minded” are to phronēma tēs sarkos (το φρονημα της σαρκος), literally, “the mind of the flesh.”

The words “spiritually minded” are to phronēma tou pneumatos (το φρονημα του πνευματος), literally, “the mind possessed by the Spirit,” thus a mind controlled or dominated by the Holy Spirit. (Wuest's word studies from the Greek New Testament : For the English reader)

The mind (8:5–11; cf. 7:22–23; 8:5–7) is allowed to have its way in the Spirit. There is an absolute separation between being in the flesh and in the Spirit. In this section the potency of life in the Spirit is stressed, not the details of how such a life comes about.  (Tyndale concise Bible commentary)

It is our sinful nature that tries to make our mind focus on our fleshly desires, which will lead to only one end and that is death.  However, the indwelling Spirit tries to take illuminate the reality of our flesh (sinful desires) and then lead us to life.  If we are focused on our own sinful pleasures we will have set a course for death.  If we focus on Christ and His righteousness, then we will sail a course pleasing to the Spirit.  I suppose the reality is that our flesh is NOT interested in making a good decision here.  Our place of departure then must be the honest recognition that we cannot choose rightly apart from the Spirit's power.  We must confess then our inability in order to gain the victory.

This deliverance from the law of sin and death is not a mere experience (it will produce precious experiences); it is a divine operation, known by faith in His operation who raised up from the dead, known in all its power by its accomplishment in Jesus, in the efficacy of which we participate by faith. The difficulty of receiving it is that we find our experience clashing with it. That Christ has put away my sins, and that God has loved me, is a matter of simple faith through grace. That I am dead is apt to find itself contradicted in my heart….The passage does not say that the flesh is changed — quite the contrary; one would not speak of the law of a thing which no longer existed. We have to contend with it, but it is no more a law; neither can it bring us under death in our conscience. (Dr. John Darby)

By looking to our minds. How may we know whether we are after the flesh or after the Spirit? By examining what we mind, the things of the flesh or the things of the spirit. Carnal pleasure, worldly profit and honor, the things of sense and time, are the things of the flesh, which unregenerate people mind. The favor of God, the welfare of the soul, the concerns of eternity, are the things of the Spirit, which those that are after the Spirit do mind. The man is as the mind is….Which way do our thoughts move with most pleasure? Which way go our plans and contrivances? Are we most wise for the world, or for our souls?  (Matthew Henry)



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